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kendaleigh
 #1 
I know I raised this a few months ago with regard only to Hyperacusis, but a few folk on the UK RNID tinnitus forum have commented that Glucosamine Sulphate seems to be bothering their tinnitus.  Apparently it does have anti-inflammatory properties and anti-inflamatories seem to regularly come up on the forums in relation to worsening H and T.

Found this chat on: http://www.rnid.org.uk/community/forums/tinnitus/glucosamine_sulphate_a_trigger_/?pn=1

My physio has suggested starting to take it again for my knees and joints generally, but I would rather avoid any tinnitus spikes that might be associated with this supplement.  My GP and local audiologist have not come across a connection with tinnitus but have any of you folk?

Thanks

K
winterbridge55
 #2 

I take take it and have found that it does not effect my t/h at all.

painterdude
 #3 

I've been taking it for years, way before the T came. I have also been taking 600mg of ibuprofin in the morning and sometimes more if my back is acting up for over 10 years.  When I first got T, I stopped all kinds of things but nothing did anything to it. To use that terrible saying that is so in vogue today " it is what it is".  pd

CPW151
 #4 
I've been taking it for years, way before the T came. I have also been taking 600mg of ibuprofin in the morning and sometimes more if my back is acting up for over 10 years.  When I first got T, I stopped all kinds of things but nothing did anything to it. To use that terrible saying that is so in vogue today " it is what it is".  pd
 
Painterdude, I lifted a couch wrong (and really should have known better!) and got an HNP L5-S1 and bulged the L4-5.  Along with the DJD from my age and I was put on the same dosage of Ibuprofen you have been taking.  I seriously think that turned my tinnitus from the soft little crickets I had had for 10 or more years to the screaming, intrusive, life changing tinnitus I got.  (Thankfully those negative descriptions are in the past tense!)  But Dr. Nagler, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Ibuprofen ototoxic?  And after an angioplasty with stent the physician put me on a full aspirin a day for over 5 years.  That may have done it as well since I know aspirin is ototoxic.  Taking the low dose aspirin now but I think the damage was already done.

CPW
Thatch
 #5 

i was takin glucosomine sulphate for a knee injury for about 8 months before the my T first showed up. I've stopped taking it now, but thats because my  knee is better. I don't know if that could've provoked it or not

Micky
 #6 
Found this on Ibuprofen..

Hearing Loss Help ยป Ibuprofen and Tinnitus

Micky ..

DrNagler
 #7 
Micky, thanks for the link.

Now let me ask you something.  Why should we believe what the author, Neil Bauman, says about ibuprofen and tinnitus?  I realize that he holds a Ph.D. degree, but are you aware of the fact that it's in ancient history and astronomy??!!  (He also has a theology degree.)  OK.  Nothing to sneer at.  Especially if you want to know about the Big Dipper.  But what exactly makes him some sort of authoritative source on the auditory system?

So an astronomer decides to set up a website where he calls himself "Dr. Neil," where he tries to sell some books on tinnitus, etc., his main claim to auditory fame being that he has some hearing loss.  Fine with me.  But do you really want to rely on what the man says without investigating it just a wee bit further?

More to the point.  I myself didn't know about Bauman's background until I researched it a bit, which is what anybody who reads anything on the Internet ought to do before accepting it at its face value.  And that's the real message here!

smn
Micky
 #8 

Wise words Dr. Nagler,..and thanks for putting it into perspective,..i always have been a bit of a soft touch , i'm a salesmans dream come true..Micky ..

DrNagler
 #9 
Micky wrote:

Wise words Dr. Nagler

..........

Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day!

OK - ibuprofen.  I personally do not view ibuprofen as ototoxic because it does not cause permanent damage to hair cells or other cochlear structures.  Now it can occasionally cause tinnitus (or cause an exacerbation of tinnitus), but that is reversible upon cessation of the ibuprofen.  And if the tinnitus does not resolve upon cessation of the ibuprofen (or if the exacerbation doesn't settle back down), then it wasn't the ibuprofen that caused it in the first place.

smn
kendaleigh
 #10 
So, may I presume that you would not advise one way or another regarding Glucosamine Dr Nagler?  That RNID thread did bother me somewhat....

I don't want to stray outside of what information you feel comfortable offering on the board.  I'm working on the principle that if you don't ask, you don't receive!

K
DrNagler
 #11 
Kendaleigh posted:

So, may I presume that you would not advise one way or another regarding Glucosamine Dr Nagler?  That RNID thread did bother me somewhat....

..........

Sorry, Kenda.  I seem to have accidentally overlooked your question.  My apologies.

OK, here's the first post in that RNID thread that bothers you somewhat:

"I spent a long time thinking about what could have caused my T and the only thing I could think of was that a few months before it started I was taking GS [glucosamine] to help me with my knees."

And then a few others posted that they've been on glucosamine as well.

OK.  Getting back to the post in blue, anybody notice anything interesting about it?

smn 
CPW151
 #12 
OK - ibuprofen.  I personally do not view ibuprofen as ototoxic because it does not cause permanent damage to hair cells or other cochlear structures.  Now it can occasionally cause tinnitus (or cause an exacerbation of tinnitus), but that is reversible upon cessation of the ibuprofen.  And if the tinnitus does not resolve upon cessation of the ibuprofen (or if the exacerbation doesn't settle back down), then it wasn't the ibuprofen that caused it in the first place.

smn

 
OK Doctor,  what about 5 year plus usage of full strength aspirin?

CPW
DrNagler
 #13 
CPW posted:

OK Doctor,  what about 5 year plus usage of full strength aspirin?

.............

Not sure where you're going with this question, CPW.

sp
CPW151
 #14 
OK - ibuprofen.  I personally do not view ibuprofen as ototoxic because it does not cause permanent damage to hair cells or other cochlear structures.  Now it can occasionally cause tinnitus (or cause an exacerbation of tinnitus), but that is reversible upon cessation of the ibuprofen.  And if the tinnitus does not resolve upon cessation of the ibuprofen (or if the exacerbation doesn't settle back down), then it wasn't the ibuprofen that caused it in the first place.

smn

 
Not going anywhere except to ask you if aspirin falls into the same category as your comment on Ibuprofen.  I've heard horror stories about long term use of aspirin causing tinnitus as I have with Ibuprofen.  You said Ibuprofen can occasionally can cause  tinnitus but is reversible upon cessation.  Can the same be said for aspirin? 

CPW 



 
DrNagler
 #15 
Yes.  To the best of my knowledge neither aspirin nor ibuprofen causes permanent auditory damage.

smn
kendaleigh
 #16 
OK.  Getting back to the post in blue, anybody notice anything interesting about it?

Dr N: Were you a primary school teacher in a former life? 

I can only think that he's scrabbling round for reasons for the T and has hit/decided on Glucosamine but has spent too long focussing on his T?  I'm probably wrong and you meant something else but I'm whacked out after the hospital visit today so not thinking straight.  Will try again tomorrow with this puzzle if you say I've missed the point!

Smiles!

Kenda
DrNagler
 #17 
It is quite natural to try to figure out what caused your tinnitus.  What I found interesting about the passage I quoted in Post #11 was that the individual posting apparently settled on the glucosamine that he or she began taking a few months prior to the onset of tinnitus as the cause - like there's nothing else that happened in all that time that could have done it!

smn
Thatch
 #18 

at the same time we dont really have a good portrate of that person's daily activities or if there are any new additions to their daily living, diet, work environments etc..  I'd take it that by the author settling on GS, that he identified it as the only, or  major change/addition to his normal living regiment.. enough to a point that he feels strongly that GS is the cause.

CPW151
 #19 
OK, so it was the Glucosamine.  For me it was maybe the aspirin.  Dr. Nagler squelched that one.  Maybe it was the facet joint injections.  Maybe it was because I wasn't holding my nose right.  I finally decided that even if I could be certain what caused it there was nothing I could do about it.  I can not change the past.  Unless they found a physiological problem like wax in my ears, or something on an MRI which I had done there wasn't a darn thing that I could do about it and keeping up a search for the reason just hindered my dealing with it.  So one of the first positive steps I took was to stop trying to find a cause.  I can't change the past but I do have some control over the future.

CPW
Thatch
 #20 

i feel the same way. I never thought like that at first of course, but then again i think we all kind of depress and panic in some way when we first experience symptoms.. wondering what? why? how?.. and most importantly, can it be fixed? I absolutely agree with you that by moving away from these questions i've furthered myself to a better place in my life.

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