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CPW151
 #21 
Dr. Nagler, thank you so much for this very enlightening explanation.  I want to take some time to think this through and will probably respond more later since it's rather late and I want to "sleep on it."   My immediate response for the time being is that it appears that my goals have been set to high but I have been on the right track - thanks to you.

CPW
CPW151
 #22 
 Dr Nagler you stated,  "Rather, I think that a realistic goal would be to achieve meaningful relief to your great satisfaction."
 
OK, so I turned this over and over last night while sleeping.  For some strange reason I sometimes have the ability to work out problems, design things for my woodshop, etc. while sleeping.  I realized this morning that the operant statement in your response to me was the above statement.  My goal has been to reach a point of total habituation meaning that I am never aware of it unless I listen for it and it never bothers me in the least.  I mistakenly thought that you had reached this goal and it was encouraging to know that you have not reached that, apparently, unrealistic goal.  I spent the night thinking and sleeping about when I was crying in agony and hopelessness a couple of years ago and comparing them with where I am now.  Much of the night was also working on a problem I have to solve in the woodshop today.  I realized this morning that I have achieved a meaningful relief in my response to tinnitus.  It does not control my life anymore and even when I have a loud day it does not destroy it.  It may take a little of the enjoyment out of it but that's the extent of it.  Probably, in part, is because I know that tomorrow will be better and some days it's not even there.  Am I totally satisfied with where I am now?  No.  Am I satisfied with the changes that have been made. YES!  There is not only life after tinnitus but there is life, and a good life, with tinnitus and for now this is satisfactory but there is more to learn and more to accomplish.  Thank you again for not only your insight but your sharing with us your personal level of accomplishment in your own experience with tinnitus. 

CPW


Micky
 #23 

The above post  # 20  ..i think should should take pride of place in the words of wisdom thread ..Many thanks Dr. Nagler ..
DrNagler
 #24 
Done.

smn
Micky
 #25 

Well ive just had my 2 days of manageable tinnitus and awoke this morning at 3 am with my head screaming..i tried to remain calm, but its beaten me down, even my sound pillow would not cover it up ..so have had a bad adverse reaction and my tummy is in knots..am playing my Neuromonics unit right now, but feel very depressed..the cycle of torment goes on, just wish i could break free ..Micky ..
aQuieterBreeze
 #26 
CPW-

Can you teach us to do this?
you said-
OK, so I turned this over and over last night while sleeping.  For some strange reason I sometimes have the ability to work out problems, design things for my woodshop, etc. while sleeping.

Seriously I think that is a wonderful ability and talent to have!

 In response to something to Dr. Nagler had mentioned
you also said--
Quote:
My goal has been to reach a point of total habituation meaning that I am never aware of it unless I listen for it and it never bothers me in the least.  I mistakenly thought that you had reached this goal and it was encouraging to know that you have not reached that, apparently, unrealistic goal.  I spent the night thinking and sleeping about when I was crying in agony and hopelessness a couple of years ago and comparing them with where I am now.  Much of the night was also working on a problem I have to solve in the woodshop today.  I realized this morning that I have achieved a meaningful relief in my response to tinnitus.  It does not control my life anymore and even when I have a loud day it does not destroy it.  It may take a little of the enjoyment out of it but that's the extent of it.  Probably, in part, is because I know that tomorrow will be better and some days it's not even there.  Am I totally satisfied with where I am now?  No.  Am I satisfied with the changes that have been made. YES!  There is not only life after tinnitus but there is life, and a good life, with tinnitus and for now this is satisfactory but there is more to learn and more to accomplish.


Wonderfully put! Beautifully said- and I am really happy to see how far you have come-
To know where you had been- and read this - is wonderful, and inspiring.

Thank you! For sharing those insights, of yours.
aQuieterBreeze
 #27 
Hi Micky-
you said-
every 7 or 8 days i have 2 good days of tinnitus where it is no longer a big issue .. and life is good..however, on the third day it returns with a huge increase in volume, very debilitating and stays this way for the next several days, i find this almost inpossible to deal with.This has been the trend now for over 2 years, and i have never been able to break the cycle of the 2 good days by extending it to 3 or even 4. Some how my brain has been programmed to turn the volume down for these 2 days .. and to re- set it with a vengence on the third and the following days

I do not know what causes your tinnitus to get louder after the 2 days, but maybe when it does- the way you react to it doing that- not only upsets you, and causes extra stress, but maybe the extra stress is part of why it takes your tinnitus several days to settle back down?
Stress can have alot of impact on us - and it sure does not help.
I wonder if some stress reduction techniques, used over time may help?
If you could somehow keep from being so upset when you t gets louder, maybe it would quiet back down sooner?
(I'm not sure, but maybe it would be worth a try?)
Micky
 #28 
Quiet Breeze said in part .
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Stress can have alot of impact on us - and it sure does not help.
I wonder if some stress reduction techniques, used over time may help?
If you could somehow keep from being so upset when you t gets louder, maybe it would quiet back down sooner?
(I'm not sure, but maybe it would be worth a try?)
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Thanks , i do have a lot of personal problems at the moment, and am suffering a lot of stress right now , ..
however i must say there is tinnitus and there is tinnitus,
when mine is bad it's dam tinnitus and incredibly loud yet i read some where that all tinnitus is only 10 or 15 decibels....personally i don't go along with this at all..i would like to see Dr, Naglers comments on this hypothesis.. Micky ..

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