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tinman
 #1 

DrNagler,

Just want to say that I am thrilled that you have re-opened the board.  Many thanks for supporting the tinnitus community,  My heartfelt thanks for all of your efforts!

Welcome home!
DrNagler
 #2 
Tinman posted [in part]:

Welcome home!

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Thank you.  Good to be back.

smn
Tman
 #3 
I'll 2nd that!  Stringplayer did a great job kicking it off until Dr. Nagler could take over as pilot! 

Welcome back on, Dr. Nagler!
DrNagler
 #4 
Tman posted:

Stringplayer did a great job kicking it off until Dr. Nagler could take over as pilot! 

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Stringplayer and I are very close, you know.  I bet you'll hardly notice any difference. 

smn
abjada
 #5 
I'm intrigued doc that after telling people for years not to use their real names on message boards you've reverted back to using yours. Or have I missed something?

Just curious.

Dave
DrNagler
 #6 
Excellent point, Dave.

There are two reasons I am posting as "DrNagler." 

One is personal.

The other is that over the past month I have been soliciting ideas from the readership about how I might improve this board.  Some folks have expressed an interest in seeing more posts from prominent clinicians and researchers.  Such individuals typically have little interest in message boards and moreover are often either put off or confused by the whole "nick" business.  So I figure if I start using "DrNagler," it will make it easier for them to understand the flow of things here when I do invite them to address various issues.

smn
abjada
 #7 
Fair enough... sounds good to me!

Thanks for the reply.

Dave
Tpeace
 #8 
So SP is DrNagler. Wow, I should have known better. But is the other prominent member off the board now? Sad to lose him if he is not back.

My T is still the same. In fact it has spiked the last 2 weeks with nothing but a piercing siren. But I am at peace with it, having been enjoying my fishing, gardening, and eating out with my family and friends. I try to ignore T regardless what it is doing. As Rob puts it, T is trying to send me flowers to beckon his menacing presence, but I trampled it under my feet and sent it to the compost bin. I love Rob's analogy and I practise it. Dr Nagler's idea that you can have a loud T but not a sufferer. It is so true. Thank you for the excellent advice.

The first 3 months of my T was hell and endless drugs. Now after 7 months, T is just a part of life. It hasn't subsided, probably louder because I don't use ear plugs any more to shield normal noises.Though uncomfortable at times, it is nevertheless a harmless sound. I can move and do anything I like, particularly my outdoor activities, and I count my blessings that I can do things the blind and the wheel-chair folks can never dream of. Yet life goes on for them. Why shouldn't I?

Sometimes when the spikes are really loud, I just think of people who have to work in very loud environments day in and day out, the pilots, air hostesses, miners, truck drivers, engine room mechanics, even busy restaurant service staffs, or people who live right by a busy street or along the train track, etc. Some have to work or live in loud environment for months, years, and decades. I just imagine that my T spikes are like those environments, but at least if I really want, I can mask my T with plesant nature sounds. So if those people don't get too distressed, perhaps I should learn something from them too. It is not an exact analogy, but it is not a bad analogy either for me.

The best part of all is that there is a high chance that in a few years, most T persons become habituated to the T sound or the sound will diminish over time. So if we just try to stay at peace with our T (without the emotion) and move on with life, it is highly likely that you and I will be among the good statistics. Try to say, hey T, since you are harmless, I am going to put you down for, say a year or two, and enjoy my life to the fullest, and then see what will happen after that. That is what I am doing right now.

I watched the video clip on YouTube on David Letterman & William Shatner and just laughed my head off. Here are two celebrities with pretty bad T joking about their T. Shatner was suicidal at one point before TRT, and Letterman said his T is getting worse and sounds like the Emergency Broadcast System at work 7/24 non-stop. Yet they laugh at their T now and live a productive life. So is our Dr Nagler and many other ordinary folksin all walks of life. I have talked to many people with T since my T. Many have recovered or not distressed by their T any more. The common point about them is that they do not perceive T as a catastrophe. Some just firmly believe that they would get used to it over time and they did.

So to all new suffers, don't give up hope and try to have peace with your T. Take life a day at a time and be posititve even though T may not want you to. It is not easy but it can be done if you just keep on trying.

Tpeace


DrNagler
 #9 
Tpeace posted [in part]:

Here are two celebrities with pretty bad T joking about their T. Shatner was suicidal at one point before TRT, and Letterman said his T is getting worse and sounds like the Emergency Broadcast System at work 7/24 non-stop. Yet they laugh at their T now and live a productive life. So is our Dr Nagler and many other ordinary folksin all walks of life.

..........

Just to clarify ...

I went from being bedridden for the better part of a year because of my tinnitus ... to leading a very productive life.  That's true enough.  But unlike Shatner and Letterman, I do not laugh at tinnitus today.  In fact the thought of tinnitus and what tinnitus has done to those who suffer now as I once suffered continues to weigh very heavily on my heart.  It is why I started this board.

smn
Tpeace
 #10 

The laughing at tinnitus part is probably because of the environment of the Letterman show. Being a comedian himself, he has his funny approach. But Shatner was on record to say that he was quite despondent at one time and suicide was on his mind. I believe no one is able to laugh at tinnitus when first hit by that strange and terrifying beast. It is like we just get hit by an alien without the ability to shake it off or defend oneself from it. It was terrifying for any new T sufferers. But like a new soldier, time and battle scar will harden him to the point he eventually can face a battle with less trauma and more stamina. So will most T sufferers in the T battle.

Maccy
 #11 
Hey TPeace,

I love your last post! I feel a bit like a soldier myself and the battle scars are just starting to heal!!

6 months into T and it's like a lights been switched on in my head. I think I have accepted this and stopped chasing the miracle cure and all of a sudden it's not so bad. It really is a mind thing and not so much an ear thing isn't it?

My very perception of it has changed. My outlook on life is better, I have started work again and I have started my Netball Coaching with the kids again which I love. I kept away because of the noise, but now I think "hey what the heck, I'm missing out"  and I refuse to do this anymore.

Enough is enough and T can take a step into the background.

Mandy
DrNagler
 #12 
Tpeace posted:

But like a new soldier, time and battle scar will harden him to the point he eventually can face a battle with less trauma and more stamina.

and Mandy agreed:

I love your last post! I feel a bit like a soldier myself and the battle scars are just starting to heal!!

.............

Yes, well said.  We are all soldiers, aren't we?

I would only add that the key to winning a war often has more to do with choice of strategy than it does with the amount of artillery one brings into battle.

smn

aQuieterBreeze
 #13 
TPeace,
You mentioned-
My T is still the same. In fact it has spiked the last 2 weeks with nothing but a piercing siren. But I am at peace with it, having been enjoying my fishing, gardening, and eating out with my family and friends. I try to ignore T regardless what it is doing. As Rob puts it, T is trying to send me flowers to beckon his menacing presence, but I trampled it under my feet and sent it to the compost bin.

and also-
So to all new suffers, don't give up hope and try to have peace with your T. Take life a day at a time and be posititve even though T may not want you to. It is not easy but it can be done if you just keep on trying.

I am glad to see you are doing well and your attitude is still really good. It is quite refreshing!
I also agree that some people have a wonderful way of phrasing things, and putting things into perspective- and I hope that those that do care about this community will find their way back here before too long.

But about something you mentioned-
But like a new soldier, time and battle scar will harden him to the point he eventually can face a battle with less trauma and more stamina. So will most T sufferers in the T battle.

I prefer to think of tinnitus or hyperacusis as an unwelcome guest-
something I may need to put up with for awhile,
something I may need to learn to constructively deal with-
not something to necessarily fight with. 
DrChip
 #14 

...nice to see the forum back. Pleasant suprise after just returning from out of town for a over a weel.  cb

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